The best designation for the listed individuals who lived in The Roman Empire is probably 'Roman' this ought to include Gregory the Great as well. Sjwells53 20:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC) Support - the sense in which ethnicity is being used here is very problematic. At least we can all accept that St Theresa of Lisieux was French and that's about it. I wish I could share the confidence expressed above that nationality could make any sense at all when applied to people who lived before the emergence of nation states. British can also mean a UK citizen post-1707: he lived a thousand years too early for that. British could mean Brythonic Celtic, i.e. Inter lingua talk email 14:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Īdd to the examples above that Bede can in no sense be described as British. I think, for example, that the first datum for all of the "Italian" saints should NOT be Italy, but rather the name of the republic, empire, kingdom, duchy or whatever they were born in and identified as their nationality. Second, give the name of which of today's nation states this birthplace now lies in. Many of these will be more closely tied with place of birth ( natio) than with current nation states, but that's actually good as it's more accurate. My suggestion? In this column, first give the nationality that the person in question most likely would have used to describe himself or herself. Isidore's nationality of Visigothic likewise fails to correspond with any of today's nationalities, but that's actually not a problem since it does correspond with the nationalities in use at his time. Despite that, this makes good sense as "Dalmatian" more closely corresponds with the ethnic/national categories of his time than "Croatian" or "Serbian" or "Yugoslav". Jerome's nationality is listed as "Dalmatian", but there is no nation of Dalmatia today. The table either needs to change the name of the column to something like "Current nation in which place of birth is located" or the information in the column needs to reflect the understanding of nationality/ethnicity that existed at the times of these various saints. He might have considered himself, and been considered in turn, Roman or Latin, but not Italian. Furthermore, there were no Turks living in the area at the time, nor was there any Turkish, Ottoman, or Seljuk kingdom, principality, emirate, khanate, province, colony, city or any other kind of unit there at this time. He neither spoke nor understood the language. Basil's nationality most certainly was NOT Turkish.
This column needs major work and changes. There are asterisks beside some of the names in the list but no explanation of what they signify! Kace7 ( talk) 20:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC) Nationality 13 File:St-John-of-the-Cross.jpg Nominated for Deletion.Ambrose German? Then Albert Einstein is Italian 3 "Traditional Catholics" and women Doctors.